Class D 200 Wrms with 2 mosfet cheap

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
damn nice result :D , output vac 35.5 with 8.4 ampere. supply rails +/- 45 vdc.


Circuit: * D:\dx-amp\new D\d-amp projects\cheapd-sim-clipping-lf4\18_cheap-d-v1b-530-393.asc

Direct Newton iteration for .op point succeeded.
Fourier components of V(out)
DC component:-0.329288

Harmonic Frequency Fourier Normalized Phase Normalized
Number [Hz] Component Component [degree] Phase [deg]
1 1.000e+02 3.448e+01 1.000e+00 0.62° 0.00°
2 2.000e+02 2.207e-02 6.401e-04 -103.52° -104.14°
3 3.000e+02 2.432e-02 7.055e-04 4.19° 3.56°
4 4.000e+02 1.046e-02 3.033e-04 -96.93° -97.56°
5 5.000e+02 1.789e-02 5.189e-04 -177.08° -177.70°
6 6.000e+02 2.688e-03 7.796e-05 -109.05° -109.67°
7 7.000e+02 9.146e-03 2.653e-04 -173.18° -173.80°
8 8.000e+02 1.334e-03 3.870e-05 -163.55° -164.18°
9 9.000e+02 5.995e-03 1.739e-04 -173.97° -174.59°
Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.117336%



Date: Sun Feb 12 21:02:00 2012
Total elapsed time: 528.635 seconds.

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rejected = 807415
matrix size = 61
fillins = 107
solver = Normal
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irvynejay

New member
ferrite core

i also have this core measures 1.4 cm thickness 1.9 cm inner x 3.1 outer
anyway man thnx for your time your very helpfull
 

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irvynejay

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ok thanx norazmi,,i have ei 33a and 33b can i use this? do i have to make air gap on the center top of the ferrite ei core?
 

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
yes u can use it, its good core little bit over size but will work great. make air gap like u mention between center top, approx 3-4 mm, i use mini drill, use awg 18 or 17 about 13-14 lap. it will work great with it.

sorry late reply just back home :D
 

comasus

New member
Hi norazmi

i need a class -d amp which works with +/-50v dc
will your posted amp works for that voltage?

thank you
 

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
glo, sorry im missed ur post. air core inductor you can use it, but what material it is? Or u can use ferrite core with air gaps, make it about 3-4mm.
 

gloriel

New member
glo, sorry im missed ur post. air core inductor you can use it, but what material it is? Or u can use ferrite core with air gaps, make it about 3-4mm.

Azmi, i see a lot of EE25 in some electronic service center in very low price, about 5 for 1usd. they come from DVD PSU. i will use them.

another question, is it possible to brigde this amp using opamp like apex?

regards

Glo
 

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
that core can be use with proper air gap. its possible to bridge it but the impedance cant be so low and worried about mosfet will be overheated.
 

Abet

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http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg857/scaled.php?server=857&filename=digitaltest.jpg&res=landing

Hi! Norazmi,

My class D built at test..I however found-out that the 220 ohm emitter resistors are quite hot to touch. BDs and inductor are also warm to the touch but aside from that it sounds pretty much just like a Class AB. Mid & highs are quite transparent. MosFET are remarkably cool.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg21...10&filename=classdoutputstage.png&res=landing

I posted here the output stage schematic with a few modifications, Have you tried to evaluate these? I've been thinking of limiting the current dissipation of the BDs to cool(slow?) them down. I'm no designer just a thought.
(sorry don't know how to properly post the image it doesn't look like you can view it without clicking the link)
 
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gloriel

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i've tried to increase R5,R6 to 1,5k, dc offset 98mv and the amp unstable, deacrese to 820 ohm, dc offset 22mv, 1k 33mv. i am using BD's transistor
 

Abet

New member
i've tried to increase R5,R6 to 1,5k, dc offset 98mv and the amp unstable, deacrese to 820 ohm, dc offset 22mv, 1k 33mv. i am using BD's transistor

thanks for the feedback gloriel, I find my built strange I'm only using +/-18vac for a test but those 220ohm collector resistors tied to the inductor coil (speaker-line) are getting hot to touch:( Do I need to modify my inductor? It was 22uh but stated in the original schematic was 100uh for 8ohms & 47uh for 4ohms impedance.
 

gloriel

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thanks for the feedback gloriel, I find my built strange I'm only using +/-18vac for a test but those 220ohm collector resistors tied to the inductor coil (speaker-line) are getting hot to touch:( Do I need to modify my inductor? It was 22uh but stated in the original schematic was 100uh for 8ohms & 47uh for 4ohms impedance.

those resistor not tied to inductor coil, but to ground, pls recheck again, if may those R short to speaker line
 

Abet

New member
upss...you are correct they were tied at the ground line. What material are you using for the inductor ?

Thanks!
 

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
if u do modification to the gate driver with incorrect value, those transistor will be saturate and will make the amp unstable, lots of spikes.
there is some explanation to this circuit must take a note.

For the UCD design, change the 2n5xx1 by mpsAx2 (save that the legs are backwards) and mosfets for more voltage mosfets ... should not take more modifications - (well, maybe the feedback resistor to have the maximum power with the same input signal).

Now, for all unbelievers who think that this amp can give 200Wrms or more ... just depends on the mosfets. Some quick calculations:
For a power W (rms) on a speaker of R ohms, you need a supply voltage of V = sqrt (W * 2 * R), where sqrt = square root.
The maximum current that will ask the power supply is R = V / R. As the mosfets or totally turned on (fully saturated) or totalmenteapagados (Class D is!) then the dissipation in each MOSFET is pmos = I * I * RDSON / 2 (s / 2 is because alternate mosfets are never turned on both at once, and on average, is half the time on each). Now, specific calculations: For the mosfets used, the RDSON is 0.3 ohms. We take 200Wrms about 4 ohms. little formula According to the above, we need a supply voltage of 40 volts. The maximum current that is going peak to ask the source is from 40/4 = 10A. maximum dissipation of 15W each mosfet will. For the mosfets do not burn overtemperature, MUST go on a heatsink ... Now calculate this sink> assume a temperature the air surrounding the heatsink 50C, the maximum junction temperature of 150C is mosfet.

That will give a thermal resistance junction-ambient (150-50) / 15W = 6.6C / W. The mosfet and has a thermal resistance -joint casing 1.5C / W, so that the thermal resistance remains is 6.6 - 1.5 = 5.1C / W. Assume an extra heat resistance mica and dissipating grease 0.5C / W. This causes the heatsink required for each MOSFET has to be 5.1C / W - 0.5C / W, 4.6C / W. This cooler there, and it is perfectly possible to use. All these calculations are for the worst .. In reality, the audio is not at full power ever, so there is a safety margin far greater than you can believe initially. If only we wanted to get 100W, the heatsink is considerably reduced. If instead of using mosfets specified mosfets with lower RDSON could either increased or reduced power dissipation in the same further. In relation to the coil to the amplifier propose, suggest them instead of a coil, a coil and a capacitor: 10uH coil and capacitor of 1.5 uF (poly) ... The facts are simple ... The cutoff frequency of the filter must be higher than 20Khz, but below the minimum switching frequency of the amplifier (near 500Khz) ... Fcorte = 1 / (2 * PI * sqrt (L * C)), L = Inductanciade coil in henries, C = capacity in farads, Fcorte = cutoff
frequency in Hz, PI = 3.1416. will see that there is an enormous range of values that with that relationship. So I suggest that C = 1 / (2 * PI * R * Fcorte), where R is the maximum resistance of the speaker to use ... I mean, if they are to use it with 2 different speakers, and an 8 ohms, the calculation made ??for 8 ohms. The filter capacitor that is parallel with the speaker, and the coil is in series with the same (ie, the coil conexta the amplifier output with a speaker terminals). For cdo UCD amplifier, coil and capacitor are already part of the amplifier. Finally, the issue of performance: d = 100 * Pparlante / PMOS (d = percent yield, Pparlante, power in the speaker, PMOS = power loss
in the mosfets).

say drivers get hot because the switching frequency is high (1 MHz) and have to deliver large current spikes ... There are 2 possible solutions: Either decrease the frequency of switching (switch C9 by 2n2 - This slightly affects the fidelity at high frequency, but Try it), or less able to use mosfets gate-source (Sliconix any). However, warming did not consider it dangerous. The other is that they hit a disipation on each transistor ... I think that is not worth the trouble.
On the subject of the feedback resistor, you can change if the input signal does not exceed 2v p = p. That is, the 2nd operational output should not exceed in any case 2Vpp. If you have the assurance that the input signal is not going to happen never, 1 Vpp, then make the change, but if not, no. not change the supply voltage of the TL074: This makes the output stage may not go well .. To be exact, The bases of Q1 and Q2 must not exceed the 3 volts, otherwise, the transistors go into saturation, and that's just what we DO NOT have to happen. The saturation dissipate very much power. Everything is
calculated for the issuer in relation to mass up 2.64 volts, which generates a voltage drop on R5 and R6 12V approx.
in relation to the supply voltage. The 12 V zener are a precaution and not because they operate as limiters. Avoid at all costs the saturation of any of these transistors smaller, because they cease to operate at the required speed. The only people who should saturate are the mosfets. If you need to give more amplification, modification are needed for the R16 or R14 and nothing else. :D

regards.
 

gloriel

New member
If you need to give more amplification, modification are needed for the R16 or R14 and nothing else.

R16 and R14 for increase gain?
 

norazmi

diysmps Senior Member
yep, but i think the amplify is high enough with good sensitivity , u can up more if ur using low input such as handphone or else...
 
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